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david
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The world could end at any moment. Someone better stop Putin on the inside.

Concerning what you said about the "classic" rotary mine is set globally to "studio" so doesn't that mean all live set voices are default set to "Studio"?

 
Posted : 27/02/2022 5:08 pm
david
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Concerning what you said about the "classic" rotary mine is set globally to "studio" so doesn't that mean all live set voices are default set to "Studio"?

I just noticed OR realized the "TYPE" can be different per the original Live Set voices as some are still set to "Classic" while others are set to "Studio".

Depending on which you select you get a different option. So this is a local setting and not a global setting.

Try selecting an organ and going into settings-sound-organ-type-"A" selected.

Play a chord and swap in real time back and forth between the "classic" and "studio" while holding the chord and use headphones.

Dramatic centering changes and more smooth and wide sounding on "studio".

"Classic" is okay for something like a less dramatic overdrive and centered sound.

The "Church" organs sound much better using the "Studio" version although they left many using the "classic". Wrong application I think.

 
Posted : 27/02/2022 6:14 pm
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Well ultimately the update was a positive one. Much better than the first update but took way too long.

However I have the Fantom and SKpro and Hydrasynth Deluxe & CP1 which I will still likely use more than the YC73.

Since the YC doesn't have a full blown FM editor and FM capabilities like my Korg OP6 there's not much else I need it for.

It's a nice board but I'm not going to wait anther year or two to find out what they might add to it.

My other boards have so much more to offer. The Hydrasynth Deluxe is da bomb, literally can't stop playing it! Mind blown and it was cheap!

The YC will likely just collect dust until the next update. I'm probably going to sell it after a few more auditions.

I stood over all my boards and asked myself which would be used the least if at all. Yes it's the YC73.

My Montage and Genos had similar fates. I just wasn't using them and/or I lost interest. The level of competition is simply nuts right now.

 
Posted : 28/02/2022 4:27 am
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Concerning what you said about the "classic" rotary mine is set globally to "studio" so doesn't that mean all live set voices are default set to "Studio"?

There is no "global" setting for this, but there is a "default," which is not the same thing. Studio is indeed now the default for Slot A, you'll see it that way in any empty (INIT) slot. But the update did not change existing saved sounds. So those existing Live Sets which had the old rotary still have the old rotary. You can change them to the new rotary if and as desired, just edit the setting in that Live Set and then Store it,

So this is a local setting and not a global setting.

Right. Everything under the Settings button is local, i.e. can be different for each Live Set. The things under the Menu button are the things that are global. That's the big distinction between those two sets of parameters. It's something that confused me when I first got the board, where at first, the distinction between which parameters were under Settings and which were under Menu seemed kind of arbitrary to me.

I have the Fantom and SKpro and Hydrasynth Deluxe & CP1{and} Korg OP6...I stood over all my boards and asked myself which would be used the least if at all. Yes it's the YC73.

Understandably, a lot of the value of any board to someone can depend, in part, on how it fits in with what else they already have. I'm not sure the YC has any sonic advantages over the combination of all that other nice stuff you've got, but it does have a unique set of capabilities in terms of what can be done in a single lightweight board.

For me, it's about being a good portable board for live performance. If I wanted (1) Yamaha quality pianos/EPs, (2) authentic classic FM sounds, (3) a high quality Hammond organ emulation, and (4) a wide range of other quality acoustic instruments, looking at your gear, sure, I could gig with (1) the CP1 plus (2) the OP6 plus (3) the SK Pro plus (4) the Fantom. That's a lot to carry to a gig! I could also do all those things with a single sub-30 lb YC73, and for a lot less money than those four boards combined, too. Obviously, the combination of the other 4 boards also do a whole bunch of other things that are far beyond what can be done in the YC. But from a gigging band perspective, I listed four useful things, and the YC73 is the only single board from among all of them that can actually do all those things. So I do think it's a high value board, even if it might not be one that really fills a particular need in your case.

Also, even though you can probably find "as good or better" versions of the YC73 sounds somewhere else among your other boards, I think the YC has some unique operational advantages. Creating splits/layers of piano, organ, and other acoustic instrument sounds, customizing those sounds with effects, and being able to tweak many of their parameters on the fly is probably faster/easier on the YC than on anything else you've got. And it's only real competition in the organ department is the SK Pro, but that one is not available with your preferred hammer action. So the YC *could* fill some niches for you, even among that stable, if those things were sufficiently important to you. But I think it's real appeal is to gigging musicians looking for a lot of key functionalities in a single lightweight board, and maybe home/studio players who don't already have $10k worth of other boards to choose from. You may just not be the target market for this one.

 
Posted : 28/02/2022 5:45 am
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Concerning what you said about the "classic" rotary mine is set globally to "studio" so doesn't that mean all live set voices are default set to "Studio"?

There is no "global" setting for this, but there is a "default," which is not the same thing. Studio is indeed now the default for Slot A, you'll see it that way in any empty (INIT) slot. But the update did not change existing saved sounds. So those existing Live Sets which had the old rotary still have the old rotary. You can change them to the new rotary if and as desired, just edit the setting in that Live Set and then Store it,

So this is a local setting and not a global setting.

Right. Everything under the Settings button is local, i.e. can be different for each Live Set. The things under the Menu button are the things that are global. That's the big distinction between those two sets of parameters. It's something that confused me when I first got the board, where at first, the distinction between which parameters were under Settings and which were under Menu seemed kind of arbitrary to me.

I have the Fantom and SKpro and Hydrasynth Deluxe & CP1{and} Korg OP6...I stood over all my boards and asked myself which would be used the least if at all. Yes it's the YC73.

Understandably, a lot of the value of any board to someone can depend, in part, on how it fits in with what else they already have. I'm not sure the YC has any sonic advantages over the combination of all that other nice stuff you've got, but it does have a unique set of capabilities in terms of what can be done in a single lightweight board.

For me, it's about being a good portable board for live performance. If I wanted (1) Yamaha quality pianos/EPs, (2) authentic classic FM sounds, (3) a high quality Hammond organ emulation, and (4) a wide range of other quality acoustic instruments, looking at your gear, sure, I could gig with (1) the CP1 plus (2) the OP6 plus (3) the SK Pro plus (4) the Fantom. That's a lot to carry to a gig! I could also do all those things with a single sub-30 lb YC73, and for a lot less money than those four boards combined, too. Obviously, the combination of the other 4 boards also do a whole bunch of other things that are far beyond what can be done in the YC. But from a gigging band perspective, I listed four useful things, and the YC73 is the only single board from among all of them that can actually do all those things. So I do think it's a high value board, even if it might not be one that really fills a particular need in your case.

Also, even though you can probably find "as good or better" versions of the YC73 sounds somewhere else among your other boards, I think the YC has some unique operational advantages. Creating splits/layers of piano, organ, and other acoustic instrument sounds, customizing those sounds with effects, and being able to tweak many of their parameters on the fly is probably faster/easier on the YC than on anything else you've got. And it's only real competition in the organ department is the SK Pro, but that one is not available with your preferred hammer action. So the YC *could* fill some niches for you, even among that stable, if those things were sufficiently important to you. But I think it's real appeal is to gigging musicians looking for a lot of key functionalities in a single lightweight board, and maybe home/studio players who don't already have $10k worth of other boards to choose from that, between them, cover so much of the same territory. You may just not be the target market for this one.

My Montage and Genos had similar fates. I just wasn't using them and/or I lost interest. The level of competition is simply nuts right now.

I agree, we have a wealth of really cool choices these days!

Those other Yamahas probably have 90% of the sonic capabilities of the YC, while also doing a ton of stuff the YC cannot. But they are each optimized for different usages. YC's strengths include the organ functionality, simple direct operation with quick and easy access to commonly needed parameters, and in the case of the 61 and 73, high portability. Montage doesn't have any of those strengths, but it is much more flexible, has a much bigger sound set, and has the deepest editing/customization capabilities of the bunch. Genos has their most realistic acoustic instrument emulations (via the AEM/SA2 and Ensemble voices), sophisticated auto-accompaniment, and the most capable on-board composition functions. But if none of them really clicked with you the way some other boards do, c'est la vie. Sometimes a board just somehow speaks to you, and sometimes it doesn't. That's why it's great that we have all these choices, from Yamaha and from everyone else

 
Posted : 28/02/2022 3:55 pm
david
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True that my applications is home studio only so no boards ever leave this house. Thus the YC makes much less sense than a stage performer.

Originally bought it for the organ but then got the SKpro was released and then Fantom added an organ engine.

Live tweakability and portability with most cover band bases covered is the YC strength. CP can to but then YC has the organ so it's even more versatile.

Probably true that if a performer could only afford one board with everything needed for any live situation YC is it. Otherwise probably not.

It's a Swiss Army Knife. The YC61 was fantastic for taking anywhere if you could stand to lose the additional keys.

 
Posted : 28/02/2022 7:42 pm
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