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Pitch Bend, Tyros, And Pedal Steel Guitar

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Jason
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First,

I've seen plenty of feedback from Yamaha that Tyros and Montage are different classes of product and therefore one cannot expect/assume/wish that either has any relationship to the other except for the manufacturer, and other very basic common things that every keyboard would otherwise have in common.

Not having ever had a Tyros - or much time on one - I do not know much about what it can do and how its done. The interface is hard to navigate for me given my previous Motif-like-line familiarity (MO6, S90XS, more dabbling with Motifs, even the EX5R). However, last time at the music store i previewed the pedal steel guitar and saw that not all the notes would bend. Seemed like the bottom note would bend and others would stay static. This is great since pedal steel guitar has strings bending at different ratios and allowing some control (even just holding all but the root) allows for more control than I've ever been able to accomplish.

If there are just two different "morphs" one could use splits and assign different pitch bend rules to different notes - but this is difficult to manage if the keyboard real-estate is limited because other instruments (fiddle, organ) are competing for space.

I know the answer is "no way" as things stand today - and I would assume that to change this would be too heavy of a lift - but it doesn't hurt to throw out a dream if one is resilient to having a dream squashed.

It would be great if a feature of an ARP would be to assign pitch bend ranges to the note numbers. Note number meaning if I'm playing a chord/cluster then the lowest note of the chord/cluster is note number 1, next note is note number 2 -- up to the most supported which I believe was 16 (whatever the answer is, I only use 4 notes ever max for my steel guitar since my left hand is busy with the pitch bend - even if I used sustain I wouldn't do more than the amount of note numbers supported). To "emulate" what I remember of Tyros (sorry again for the reference) - the feature would say Note Number 1 = PB +/-2 (or maybe +0/-2 memory isn't that great at what the Tyros did and it's not that important for the description) and Note Number 2-16 PB +/-0 (no bend).

For my own use, I would probably have Note number 1 PB +/-2 (or more) so that I could do single note bend things - and then also use some of the internal voices (of the chord) maybe note number 2 or 3 have different bend ratios so I could "morph" between two chords easily using the pitch bend and it would really sound like the real thing.

The reason why ARPS would be great for this is that I could use ARP1 for one kind of bend and ARP2 for another kind so I could cover the different types of morphs that would be in a country tune I have to cover pedal steel on. ARP# would be pretty much right at my fingertips and if I needed a left-side-of-the-keyboard button to press, scenes (which save ARPs) could be used.

Thanks for listening.

 
Posted : 03/10/2016 10:05 pm
Gary
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Jason, have you had any luck creating a decent pedal steel sound (minus the unequal pitch bends you mention above)? I need one for an upcoming show and I could use any advice you might have.

Thanks!
Gary

 
Posted : 26/10/2016 4:56 pm
Jason
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I haven't gone forward with this yet. I think there's a reasonable set of tools to come up with something, though. It's not at the top of my priority list at the moment, but I'll try to return to this thread if I have something before there is another solution out there.

 
Posted : 26/10/2016 11:51 pm
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