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Alexander
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I found the following problem. I write notes in the piano-roll. All notes aligned to the grid. Have the same duration. I record this track in the Yamaha MOXF6 in the SONG mode. And then the same track write back to another track in Sonar Platinum. The new notes are shifted with respect to the track grid by about 16-17 ticks. And changing the duration of the notes. The situation is similar at my friend with Cubase 8.5 Pro and Yamaha MOXF6.

P.S. Sorry for the Russian language in the pictures. But now there is nothing else. Although these changes can be seen. If necessary, I can send screenshots Sonar Platinum. But I can do it only in the evening.

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Posted : 08/07/2016 7:15 am
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If you are doing a real time transfer, this could be the cause. Try saving the data in a Standard MIDI File (.MID) to make the transfer from one sequencer to the other. The 16-17 tick delay could be caused by simply the fact that you are transferring the data in real time, rather then by file transfer. The file transfer will accurately translate the data as originally recorded.

.MID file format is the universal method to transfer sequence data from one program to another without any real time errors.

Hope that helps

 
Posted : 08/07/2016 2:01 pm
Alexander
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Already it is clear that this is a bug in the firmware Yamaha. This problem does not have Yamaha Motif. Tested on Korg. All is well there. Notes do not move and do not change the duration. We are waiting for corrections from Yamaha.

 
Posted : 11/07/2016 8:07 am
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Soon there will be a year, as I ran into a problem. When exchanging midi events between DAW and MOXF, an error occurs. The notes shift. The duration of the notes varies randomly. Use MIDI files for work inconvenient. The PC does not see a flash card in the MOXF by the USB cable. And pulling and inserting flash card every time is very inconvenient. I'm not talking about the fact that MOXF understands only the names of files in the format 8.3 (Hello MS-DOS!).

When will the new firmware be released, in which errors will be fixed? The local office responds that the information has been sent to the programers. And the timing does not say anything.

 
Posted : 28/03/2017 10:46 am
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Posted : 02/04/2017 1:51 pm
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Viktor,
Your videos do not help me understand your issue (sorry, I don't speak Russian). I suggest you contact your regional Yamaha office, have them contact Yamaha engineering - then if there is an issue it can be addressed in your native language.

I've been here before and too much gets lost in the translation to handle this issue here on a forum
If you are using KEY-On Start, your downbeat will be shifted approx 16 clock ticks on the very first event (only). I don't know if that translates but that is easily fixed in the DAW.

But to the original poster's question- the best way to accurately transfer MIDI data from one Sequencer to another is still the SMF. Standard MIDI File.

Moving a MOXF Song into a Cubase Project

 
Posted : 02/04/2017 6:57 pm
Alexander
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When I bought a synthesizer, I did not know that Yamaha forgot how to do them. In advertising did not say that MIDI-data will be incorrectly transmitted. Advice to use SMF files sounds like a mockery. A month later you will need to change the usb connector in the synthesizer and the computer.

 
Posted : 02/04/2017 8:55 pm
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Posted : 02/04/2017 11:07 pm
Alexander
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Example 1

We make a track in Sonar. We use notes of 1/4 duration.

Record the track in the MOXF via USB cable.

Save song to MIDI file.

Open the file in Sonar.

The notes are shifted relative to the grid.

I repeat with the 1/16 note.

I created the track in Sonar. Wrote over USB cable to MOXF. I saved the song on a USB flash drive. I imported MIDI file into Sonar.

The notes shifted relative to the grid. The duration of the notes has changed.

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 3:24 pm
Alexander
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Example 2

Now I will create a track in MOXF.

I used the step sequencer.

I saved the song on the USB flash drive. I imported the file into Sonar.

All is well.

Now I recorded a song from MOXF to Sonar via USB cable.

The notes shifted and their duration changed.

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 3:39 pm
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Missing information:
Clock synchronization? No mention of clock sync...
If every event is shifted the same amount... start times late, duration will also be shifted late... could this be a Windows timestamping issue?

Now I recorded a song from MOXF to Sonar via USB cable.

Did you try saving MOXF Sequence as SMF, then open in Sonar?
Are any events shifted? Seems you did and "All is well". This is the best way for you to transfer a .mid file between sequencers, it eliminates any timing issues between your computer and your synthesizer.

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 9:30 pm
Alexander
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You now state that the error in the transmission of MIDI data is for the Yamaha MOXF normal. When working with an external synthesizer, the notes will shift relative to the grid, their duration will change. They will then outpace my play, then stay away from it. Is this considered normal?Yamaha is not designed to work with external synthesizers? Yamaha does not support MIDI standards? Are you trying to convince me of this?

 
Posted : 07/04/2017 6:55 am
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You now state that the error in the transmission of MIDI data is for the Yamaha MOXF normal. When working with an external synthesizer, the notes will shift relative to the grid, their duration will change. They will then outpace my play, then stay away from it. Is this considered normal?Yamaha is not designed to work with external synthesizers? Yamaha does not support MIDI standards? Are you trying to convince me of this?

I stated nothing of the kind. If you persist in misquoting and misunderstanding what I've said, I cannot see how that helps you or is constructive in solving your issue.

 
Posted : 07/04/2017 12:48 pm
Alexander
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The problem will be solved when Yamaha releases a revised version of the operating system. When the existing MIDI data transmission error is corrected.
For your part, I see a reluctance to admit this as a mistake. Although you can check everything yourself and make sure that my words are correct.

 
Posted : 07/04/2017 1:18 pm
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Viktor,
What we do, on this site, when troubleshooting any end User problem, is start by getting the basic information: What type computer, what operating system, what driver version, and basically, whether you are setup correctly etc., etc.

The keyboards you list are using the same driver you are using for the MOXF? If not, they are completely irrelevant to your issue. None of them do audio and MIDI via USB, correct?

I will report that you are having an issue and that you demand an update. If that is all you want.

But I'm quite sure I will be asked what computer type, what operating system, what driver, etc., etc. are you using MIDI SYNC = external? And I will be asked are you setup properly. So I'll leave it up to you as to how you want to proceed. You have provided none of the important information. I recommend you take a new tactic.

 
Posted : 10/04/2017 11:48 am
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