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  1. Kaye
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  3. Monday, 05 January 2015
I have a S90 ES that I've had for a few years now. I have one imac running Yosemite, and a macbook running Mavericks - both with logic pro x, and the macbook also with sibelius 7. I've been trying to download a midi driver from the yamaha website but the link page says its no longer available. I have gone through my manual and changed all settings to connect via usb but am getting no midi signal going into logic pro x at all, I then tried a yamaha UX16 midi-usb lead - no luck. I read that this model has integrated DAW control and that studio-connections needs to be installed, but their website is no longer working. Can anyone help me? I used to use my S90 ES with ease on my old PC a few years ago, now I fear that I may have to splash out for a newer model.
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Welcome to Yamaha Synth!

This is the official website for all things Yamaha Synthesizers. You will also want to bookmark the official download site for all things Yamaha. And it is still active so we are not sure where you were looking but obviously it was not on the official Yamaha download site.

You will also want to bookmark the following link:

http://download.yamaha.com

You arrive at the global portal for all official Yamaha downloads (firmware, software, manuals, etc.)
Select your country.
Type in your MODEL NAME: S90 ES
When the SEARCH RESULT appear, verify your model by clicking on: S90 ES

The items for the S90 ES will appear.
You are looking for the USB-MIDI Driver version 1.3.2 for Mac OS X updated November 7, 2014 to include Yosemite.

The download will include the driver and all instructions (PDF) for installing it. This will allow you to connect the S90 ES to your Macintosh computer via a USB cable. Make sure you set your S90 ES to utilize USB communication.
Press [UTILITY] > select MIDI > OTHER >
Set the MIDI IN/OUT = USB.

This driver is MIDI communication only. Your post asks about drivers (plural) this is the only driver you need for MIDI communication.

Let us know.
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Kaye Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
Thank you. As far as I am aware, this model only sends/recieves midi data via the USB cable, and the later S90 models transmit both audio and midi via USB, is this correct?
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Thank you. As far as I am aware, this model only sends/recieves midi data via the USB cable, and the later S90 models transmit both audio and midi via USB, is this correct?
No, that's not correct. None of the S-series transmits both MIDI and audio via USB ("To Host" connection)

The S90 ES could, at one time (2005-2011) utilize the mLAN16e expansion - which communicated both MIDI and audio to a computer via a FireWire connection. But drivers are no longer available for today's computer Operating Systems. If you desire FW connectivity you must get the current Motif-series (XF).

Only the MX49/MX61 (1Stereo), MOX6/MOX8 (dual Stereo) and MOXF6/MOXF8 (dual Stereo) transmit both MIDI and audio via USB.
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Kaye Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
Thanks. What about studio connections? are they still available for this model?
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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? What do you mean by "studio connections"? This was an initiative developed by Yamaha and Steinberg to create a method to bundle the setups for your external hardware (synthesizers, modules, digital mixers, effect processors) into your software via MIDI bulk communication.

The S90 ES MULTI PART (v2.2.2) and VOICE (v2.2.2) EDITORS are available for download on the same page as the S90 ES USB-MIDI Driver. You will also need the STUDIO MANAGER v2.3.4 for Mac OS X

I have not tested these on Yosemite (2014) whether the Editors (last updated 5 yrs. ago) still can run under this OS ... You will need to tell us.
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Kaye Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
Maybe I have got a bit confused. I thought that you needed studio connections for remote DAW control as well as voice editing, it seems not. I will test them later and get back to you.
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Studio Connections is more about using the Editors (which run on the computer) responsible for handling/receiving/backing up/restoring every setting on your external hardware. You play an instrument (hardware), computers have always been self-centered in that they can remember everything they are doing, but we're completely oblivious to your external hardware... Yamaha saw this as just silly, and created a method so that the computer could also be responsible for all external devices connected to it.

Simply put software engineers see everything as "in the box"... Meaning in the computer. Yamaha, a musical instrument company that makes synths, digital mixers, digital effect processors, found a way to bundle all the settings of the external devices, including all the signal routing necessary, into a nice neat easily recallable package that could be included in the software's Project file.

Remote Control Surface protocol is handled by a dedicated MIDI "Port". A Port is, in layman's terms, one set of 16 MIDI Channels coming and going. The USB cable carries multiple ports to and from the device. There are 8 Ports that can travel to and from the S90 ES via a single USB cable (equivalent to 16 standard 5-pin MIDI cables).

Now, that said, the S90 ES cannot use all of these, it does not need to use all of them. But each port allows for discreet communication. For example:
Port 1 is used exclusively for the S90 ES tone generator itself. And is an IN and an OUT.
Port 2 could be used for your optional PLG150-series single Part plug-in boards.
Port 3 could be used for a PLG100-XG multi-Part plug-in board
Port 4 could be designated to act as the Port for Remote Controlling your DAW software...
Port 5 could be used as the so-called "THRU Port" that allows the 5-pin MIDI OUT jack to be used for an external device connected to the S90 ES, such that any track in your DAW routed to this Port would not trigger the ES but would travel OUT the MIDI Jack.

Port 1 is always the internal S90ES, the others you could choose what they are set to do.

The USB-MIDI driver allows you to do all of this. The Editors are for managing the S90 ES tone engine.

The VOICE EDITOR is just what you think... It allows you to customize individual Voices
The MULTI PART EDITOR deals with your 16 Part multi-timbral setup.

They work in conjunction with each other. But they have nothing to do with remote controlling your DAW. Say you select Port 4 to control your DAW, when you press the DAW REMOTE button the front panel buttons and sliders are re-tasked to work as control surface devices for your selected DAW software (Cubase/Nuendo, Logic, Sonar, Digital Performer).
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Keith Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
I own an Yamaha S90es. I was wondering if I can transfer the "sound bank" from my keyboard to my DAW (Pro Tools), in order to record in Midi yet use the sounds that I've grown attached to on my keyboard. If so, how is this done? Thanks for your help
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Sorry, I don't understand the question. The "sound bank" of the S90 ES cannot be "transferred" to any DAW. Perhaps that is a poor choice of words. The "sound bank" of the S90 ES will need to sound from the Yamaha S90 ES.

Midi Data is a series of coded messages that represent a musical performance, in much the same way as notation represents the music, or in much the same way a series of holes punched in a roll of paper were used to trigger playback an old style Player Piano. Without the physical instrument to translate (decode) the messages the notation makes no sound. Without the physical instrument the roll of paper is not the sound.

Say you play the song "As Time Goes By", what gets recorded to your DAW are a series of coded messages that when played back (MIDI OUT of the computer to MIDI IN of your S90 ES) your performance will be heard to play from the outputs if your S90 ES.

Is that what you mean by "transferred"?
MIDI data will not playback if you do not connect the DAW Midi track to an appropriate tone generator. If you want to hear exactly what you played originally, you will need to direct the coded messages to the MIDI IN of the S90 ES and you connect it to speakers.

Now if you have an Audio Interface (a device that takes the audio output of the S90 ES and converts the analog audio signal into digital audio signal) you can record the audio created by the S90 ES to an Audio Track of your DAW.

But no, you cannot transfer the Sound Bank of the S90 ES to your computer to have it play. You can either record the coded messages (MIDI data) or you can record the Audio output (If you have an audio interface).

In the future, Keith, please start your own thread, as your question has little or nothing to do with the discussion of the original poster ... who was asking about the Driver for the S90 ES.
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Keith Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
My apologies. I'll try to clarify my question by explaining what I hope to do and then you can tell me if this is possible.

An obvious advantage of midi over audio recording is that one can easily go back and edit a performance (duration, notes, velocity ect.).

I know how to record midi data from the S90ES to my DAW. However I do not know how (or if it is possible) to then apply the patches from the S90ES to my midi performance. All I can do right now is apply the patches that were built into Pro Tools.

I was hoping that the "bulk dump" application would transfer all the patches onto my computer, but from what you said I now doubt that this will achieve that.

If I have any further questions about this topic should I start a new thread or continue off of this one? Sorry I don't know much about forum etiquette, I didn't mean to mess up this thread.
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Michael Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
I've read through this thread, and did everything exactly as stated. However, when I plug my USB (to Host) from my S90 ES to Macbook Pro 10.9.5 there is still no recognition in the Audio/Midi Setup Window of the S90 ES. What should I do?
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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I've read through this thread, and did everything exactly as stated. However, when I plug my USB (to Host) from my S90 ES to Macbook Pro 10.9.5 there is still no recognition in the Audio/Midi Setup Window of the S90 ES. What should I do?
Hi, Michael. Welcome to Yamaha Synth.

There is not supposed to be any recognition in the window of the S90 ES. (Which does not have an AUDIO/MIDI SETUP window... perhaps you mean the Mac's Audio/MIDI Setup window... what version of the Yamaha USB_MIDI Driver did you install? (Exact version numbers are important).

Go to SYSTEM PREFERENCES > Find the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver icon > double click it to launch the Control Panel... let us know what it reports. (Forget about the AUDIO/MIDI SETUP for now, find out what you installed, first.

The question is what do you want to do with the S90 ES and your Macbook Pro... Your Macbook Pro can do very little with the S90 ES with the proper Driver and Software. What is it you are attempting to do?
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Douglas Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
Okay, I purchased an S90-ES last year and I had no problem using it as an controller for MainStage. I have not since upgraded to OSX Yosemite (10.10.3) and now it no longer works. After finding this thread, I downloaded the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver 1.3.2. I've rebooted everything and it is still not working. When I am connected, the Yamaha USB-MIDI Control Panel shows "Yamaha S90 ES". And MainStage shows I can select "Port1 YAMAHA S90 ES" through "Port4..."

If I unplug the USB cable, MainStage warns me that I've disconnected a MIDI input device. So my computer can "see" my keyboard, but MainStage does not recognize any key presses. Just to check it, I tried plugging in a Korg MicroKey-37 and it worked without a hitch. So there's something going on between my Yamaha and my Mac.

Any ideas?
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Douglas wrote:

Okay, I purchased an S90-ES last year and I had no problem using it as an controller for MainStage. I have not since upgraded to OSX Yosemite (10.10.3) and now it no longer works. After finding this thread, I downloaded the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver 1.3.2. I've rebooted everything and it is still not working. When I am connected, the Yamaha USB-MIDI Control Panel shows "Yamaha S90 ES". And MainStage shows I can select "Port1 YAMAHA S90 ES" through "Port4..."

If I unplug the USB cable, MainStage warns me that I've disconnected a MIDI input device. So my computer can "see" my keyboard, but MainStage does not recognize any key presses. Just to check it, I tried plugging in a Korg MicroKey-37 and it worked without a hitch. So there's something going on between my Yamaha and my Mac.

Any ideas?
If I understand you correctly, the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver 1.3.2 is working and is communicating with your S90 ES

Sorry, I cannot offer support for MainStage _ sorry, according to what details you have given everything is fine between your S90 ES and your Mac... it is MainStage(?) that is not responding. I don't know MainStage what is it supposed to do with the key presses?
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Douglas Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
If I understand you correctly, the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver 1.3.2 is working and is communicating with your S90 ES


MainStage will (among other things) tell you which key you are pressing on a controller keyboard.

What perplexes me, is that I can plug a newer controller in and it works (without any drivers), but when I plug in my s90ES with appropriate driver, it still does not pass the key strokes through to MainStage. So this makes me think there is something awry with the Yamaha-with-drivers solution because the newer-keyboard-without-drivers works fine.

In other words, I don't think it is a MainStage problem. I'm only using MainStage to help me troubleshoot.

Doug
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Mainstage, I don't know what it's purpose is in your setup. Or whether or not you need the YAMAHA USB-MIDI driver for it. Sorry. I suggest you contact the makers of Mainstage if you have questions about whether or not you need a driver or if Mainstage allows you select a Midi driver. Sorry, I don't know the newer device you used as an example that just connected (does it have even have a driver, or does it just use the generic driver? A distinct possibility being a newer (simpler) device...

The S90 ES requires a driver because it not only communicates regular note-on, tempo and controllers (Port1) but can act as a Remote Control for DAW software on a separate USB-MIDI port, act as a discreet MIDI interface for one external device connected to its 5-Pin Midi jack on the back panel on another USB-MIDI port, multiple PLG Boards can be addressed discreetly on their own Ports etc., etc.; so, yes, it might be a bit more complex than the other device you reference. Your S90 ES is from 2005 so it will not necessarily just "plug and play" ten years later, but I think that is to be expected. What port # did you select for the S90 ES? Does it allows to select ports by number... If so, make sure you select Port 1.

If you can open the Control Panel of the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver and it shows your connection, then it is working, agreed?
Prove it to yourself, open a DAW software, select the S90 ES, and record some MIDI tracks... If you can.

In other words, I don't think it is a MainStage problem.

I think Mainstage is the problem. This based on what you, yourself have said.

Can you show a screenshot of the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver's Control Panel?
Can you show a screenshot of where in this Mainstage program you have selected the Yamaha USB-MIDI driver?

Reason I ask is this is where I would look if I was troubleshooting this issue.
If not, when you open the Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver Control Panel, can you test the connection by clicking the SEND NOTE ON function. If the S90 ES responds you have a working connection. Click SEND ALL NOTES OFF to complete this test.
In Mainstage, are you able to select a MIDI driver for the connected devices? (sorry, I know nothing about Mainstage and the setup).

Let us know.

PS... Make sure your S90 ES is set to MIDI IN/OUT = USB if you are connected directly to your Mac with a USB cable... (just making sure we haven't missed something obvious).

Update: Okay, I just downloaded and read through the MainStage 3 User Guide, and while it mentions you can select the driver required for your connected keyboard, it does not show exactly where that occurs... Hopefully it is more obvious when you are running the program. Are you confident you have selected the "Yamaha S90 ES-1" (Port 1) in the appropriate place?
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Douglas Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
PS... Make sure your S90 ES is set to MIDI IN/OUT = USB if you are connected directly to your Mac with a USB cable... (just making sure we haven't missed something obvious).



AAAHHHHHHH!!!!! It was an obvious oversight. I thank you greatly Bad Mister! I am in your debt. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!

-Doug
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Joe Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
Bad Mister wrote:

Welcome to Yamaha Synth!

This is the official website for all things Yamaha Synthesizers. You will also want to bookmark the official download site for all things Yamaha. And it is still active so we are not sure where you were looking but obviously it was not on the official Yamaha download site.

You will also want to bookmark the following link:

http://download.yamaha.com

You arrive at the global portal for all official Yamaha downloads (firmware, software, manuals, etc.)
Select your country.
Type in your MODEL NAME: S90 ES
When the SEARCH RESULT appear, verify your model by clicking on: S90 ES

The items for the S90 ES will appear.
You are looking for the USB-MIDI Driver version 1.3.2 for Mac OS X updated November 7, 2014 to include Yosemite.

The download will include the driver and all instructions (PDF) for installing it. This will allow you to connect the S90 ES to your Macintosh computer via a USB cable. Make sure you set your S90 ES to utilize USB communication.
Press [UTILITY] > select MIDI > OTHER >
Set the MIDI IN/OUT = USB.

This driver is MIDI communication only. Your post asks about drivers (plural) this is the only driver you need for MIDI communication.

Let us know.


Hi Bad Mister,

I have found a USB Driver that states that should work up to Mac OS 10.12 called "USB-MIDI Driver V1.3.2-2" which was suppose to have been updated on "Dec. 20, 2016" - http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/downloads/firmware_software/mididrivers/

But the down loaded file "Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver V1.3.2.pkg" has a creation date of "8//7/12" and will not work with El Capitan (10.11)

I have been looking around, but I have not been able to find the "Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver V1.3.2-2.pkg" Driver.

Do you know where I might be able to find it?

Thank you,
Joe
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Joe Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
Bad Mister wrote:

Welcome to Yamaha Synth!

This is the official website for all things Yamaha Synthesizers. You will also want to bookmark the official download site for all things Yamaha. And it is still active so we are not sure where you were looking but obviously it was not on the official Yamaha download site.

You will also want to bookmark the following link:

http://download.yamaha.com

You arrive at the global portal for all official Yamaha downloads (firmware, software, manuals, etc.)
Select your country.
Type in your MODEL NAME: S90 ES
When the SEARCH RESULT appear, verify your model by clicking on: S90 ES

The items for the S90 ES will appear.
You are looking for the USB-MIDI Driver version 1.3.2 for Mac OS X updated November 7, 2014 to include Yosemite.

The download will include the driver and all instructions (PDF) for installing it. This will allow you to connect the S90 ES to your Macintosh computer via a USB cable. Make sure you set your S90 ES to utilize USB communication.
Press [UTILITY] > select MIDI > OTHER >
Set the MIDI IN/OUT = USB.

This driver is MIDI communication only. Your post asks about drivers (plural) this is the only driver you need for MIDI communication.

Let us know.


Hi Bad Mister,

I have found a USB Driver that states that should work up to Mac OS 10.12 called "USB-MIDI Driver V1.3.2-2" which was suppose to have been updated on "Dec. 20, 2016" - http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/downloads/firmware_software/mididrivers/

But the down loaded file "Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver V1.3.2.pkg" has a creation date of "8//7/12" and will not work with El Capitan (10.11)
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/downloads/firmware_software/mididrivers/um1322mx.jsp

I have been looking around, but I have not been able to find the "Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver V1.3.2-2.pkg" Driver.

Do you know where I might be able to find it?

Thank you,
Joe
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Bad Mister Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
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Hi Joe,
What product do you own?

https://usa.yamaha.com/support/updates/usb-midi_driver_mac.html

Let us know.
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