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How to make super knob flash strict tempo

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Hi folks,

I'm wondering if there's a way to make the super knob flash the tempo more strictly (ie, flashing a hard pulse, rather than the soft fade-on/fade-off that seems to be the default)?

This would make it easier to prepare and internalize the tempo before playing, and also make it easier for other players to read the tempo.

Thanks 🙂

 
Posted : 10/04/2023 11:11 pm
Jason
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The superknob settings have blink patterns that can be set differently for each Performance. There are no blink patterns that are a clean "full on" "full off". There's a pattern that never turns off - but changes colors. That's likely even further from what you're looking for. Pattern "7-1" was the closest I could find (to me) since it stays "off" for longer than other patterns. Pattern "7-2" was similar to me, I didn't see any real difference although I'm sure there is something. I wasn't changing the superknob position at all (nor was it automated).

You could connect an external device that does this job for you. I believe there are some metronomes that have MIDI connectivity (to slave the clock) and also have a visual display that may be closer to what you're looking for.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 10/04/2023 11:31 pm
Jason
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I don't endorse this and the fact that it's an individual in a different country would personally give me some pause. However, the asking price is fairly cheap and it does seem to do what you want - flash an indicator slaved to the tempo.

https://midicontr.com/tproduct/370918333-217753027521-slave-metronom

However, I wanted to give some form of an example of what I was previously alluding to. There may be other more complete metronomes from relatively larger companies that do something similar (and a lot of other things). They can get pricey.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 11/04/2023 1:10 am
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Here's one for around $70 or so.
https://www.tindie.com/products/hotchk155/midihub-6-way-midi-thru-and-metronome-module/

There is a demo video part way down that shows the features.

 
Posted : 11/04/2023 1:34 am
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Thanks 🙂

I have a BOSS metronome which has a MIDI IN that I'd never used before. It was interesting to test. When slaved to the MODX, the metronome shows exactly what I need: it syncs its tempo to the performance, and blinks strictly to the set MODX tempo. It's very easy to follow - I can anticipate and internalize the tempo before striking a note. (Unfortunately, my metronome's LED is tiny, and not easy to see from any distance)

The most interesting observation, though, is that when I place the slaved metronome beside the super knob, they are beating the same tempo, but totally out of phase. It almost seems like the MODX places the beat at the beginning of the LED's soft attack, rather than at peak brightness. Even using the 7-1 or 7-2 patterns (which I agree are the sharpest), the super knob is still out by miles.

It seems like this could be simple to fix by adding a new blink pattern into the super knob settings. Without it, the super knob LED isn't much more than a flashy gimmick.

 
Posted : 11/04/2023 2:15 am
Jason
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You may want to start an arpeggio and compare the visual of the superknob vs. the Boss's blinking LED. It would be easy to know when most arpeggios are on the downbeat and then visually you could determine if the Boss is out of sync with the arps or if MODX is.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 11/04/2023 4:45 am
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Yep, the Boss is in perfect sync with the arpeggio - this can be further demonstrated by turning up the sound on the metronome: the metronome's click pattern locks into a tight groove with the audio from the MODX arpeggio, and stays locked in even when the MODX tempo is changed. The super knob isn't so much out of sync, it just (in my opinion) displays a pattern that makes it difficult to interpret strict tempo. Which is a shame, because tempo is important, and it would be good to be able to read it from the instrument without having to connect up other things.

 
Posted : 11/04/2023 6:07 am
 Rob
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I fully agree that it is very difficult to keep tempo reading the Superknob, since it doesn't highlight the beats as you would expect. Also agree that this downgrades this feature to a useless gimmick, while it could - and should - be a valuable thing.

For some reason I cannot login to IdeaScale anymore, so I can't check if this has been brought up, but I think that the timing and clarity of the Superknob blinking in line with tempo, would be a good one to put forward as an improvement request.

 
Posted : 13/04/2023 10:25 am
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For some reason I cannot login to IdeaScale anymore, so I can't check if this has been brought up, but I think that the timing and clarity of the Superknob blinking in line with tempo, would be a good one to put forward as an improvement request.

Hey Rob,

I have put this on ideascale a few years ago. I also can't login to my ideascale account anymore to check what they did with the ticket...

 
Posted : 13/04/2023 9:35 pm
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Same here with Ideascale access. The 2-factor authentication sends an access code by email, but it never arrives in my inbox.

 
Posted : 18/04/2023 1:35 am
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Yamaha has finally decided there's no longer any need for IdeaScale? That it's played its placation role?

 
Posted : 18/04/2023 5:12 am
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Hopefully not. I've found it to be a really good platform, and a couple of my suggestions have gone right through to implementation. (I've had others that didn't, but even then I got a meaningful response from development team about the reasons why).

 
Posted : 18/04/2023 6:51 am
Dragos
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I can login just fine with an authenticator app. Maybe there's a way to reset your password/ login?

 
Posted : 18/04/2023 7:11 am
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Just checked and was able to login just fine. Using Edge.

 
Posted : 18/04/2023 7:52 am
Jason
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I used Chrome and was able to login to Ideascale. I used an incognito tab so my previous credentials wouldn't be used from cache. I received an OTP sent to my email and used that second factor to fully authenticate

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 18/04/2023 6:36 pm
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