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 fred
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I was watching a video from someone creating patterns with the Pattern Sequencer and his performance had 16 parts. He didn't talk about the parts, only the patterns. But from the video I couldn't see a midi cable in the back and was wondering if parts 9-16 work differently when using the Pattern Sequencer than just trying to play the individual parts?

Do you still need to turn on Zone Master, loop midi in to out and have each part, 1-8, transmit on the corresponding midi channel for parts 9-16? Or does this work differently with the pattern sequencer?

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Fred

 
Posted : 25/02/2023 6:04 pm
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I was watching a video from someone creating patterns with the Pattern Sequencer and his performance had 16 parts.

You forgot to post the link to the video so we can watch it and see what you refer to.

He didn't talk about the parts, only the patterns. But from the video I couldn't see a midi cable in the back and was wondering if parts 9-16 work differently when using the Pattern Sequencer than just trying to play the individual parts?

Not sure what you are asking. You don't need a midi cable to create performances with 16 parts or to use 16 parts in the pattern sequencer.

You can play ANY of the 16 parts just by selecting the part first. Parts 9-16 don't have keyboard control so you can't play them manually unless you first select the part.

Can you explain what it is you are trying to do or understand?

 
Posted : 25/02/2023 7:27 pm
Jason
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In the other thread one workflow suggestion I made (one way that works) was to disable keyboard control on all Parts. Then in order for the controls (including Piano keys) to be recorded and passed to the tone generator, you would SELECT the single Part you wanted to record.

Now Parts 9-16 cannot enable keyboard control so you will have to use Part SELECT as the means to record these Parts and these you cannot group and must record one at a time.

No need for Zone or extra cabling for playing one Part at a time. This also suggests that you should strive not to have Parts 9-16 use a Multi-Part sound since you cannot group them using keyboard control ON.

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Posted : 25/02/2023 8:00 pm
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[quotePost id=120488]I was watching a video from someone creating patterns with the Pattern Sequencer and his performance had 16 parts. He didn't talk about the parts, only the patterns. But from the video I couldn't see a midi cable in the back and was wondering if parts 9-16 work differently when using the Pattern Sequencer than just trying to play the individual parts?

Do you still need to turn on Zone Master, loop midi in to out and have each part, 1-8, transmit on the corresponding midi channel for parts 9-16? Or does this work differently with the pattern sequencer?

Thanks,
Fred
[/quotePost]Green Recording (Single Part)
When recording to the Performance Recorder (using the Pattern Sequencer), you can of course, work one-track-at-a-time as with traditional sequencers. If you start your session with the Performance Template = "Multi/GM" you can work in a traditional one instrument per track, one track at a time. You would select a replacement Part for each Track you want to record. When assembling your instruments, set your "Part Category Search" so that you are viewing "Attribute" = Single.
__ It is highly recommended that you utilize the KBD CTRL LOCK so that you limit keyboard transmit to just one channel at a time (the *selected* Parts are routed to the correspondingly numbered MIDI channel and Track). Part 1 goes to Track 1 on MIDI Channel 1, Part 2 goes to Track 2 on MIDI Channel 2 and so on through Part 16 going to Track 16 on MIDI Channel 16. Traditional MIDI Recording...

Blue Recording (Multi Part)
If, however, you wish to record multiple MULTI Part Performances (there are some issues to think about):
1) Super Knob programming can and does address all 16 Parts - so you must review how you are going to utilize Super Knob movement in your composition. (Advanced users will realize that the COMMON Assign Knobs are mini-super knobs that can be unlinked from the main Super Knob and used for specific purposes).
2) Multi Part instruments must be initially recorded to Parts 1-8 because Multi Part programs utilize the KBD CTRL function to link the Parts together. That is a fact.

If you require or wish to record multiple MULTI Part programs into your Pattern, you can teach yourself how to move your data around so that you can. Track data can be moved... and Part data can be moved, as follows:

Did you know you can move the "CFX Concert"?
Say you recorded the 4-Part "CFX Concert" to your Pattern using Tracks 3-6. Move Track data of track 3 to track 9, track 4 to track 10, track 5 to track 11, and track 6 to track 12. Well, you can! While in Pattern touch "Edit/Job" > "Track" > "Exchange" > Set the Track and Scene; Source/Destination _ This will place empty Tracks in 3, 4, 5 and 6 and the sequence will playback correctly once you move the Parts to the corresponding Performance slots... here's how:

You can use the Performance Part "EXCHANGE" Job to edit your Performance, move the “CFX Concert” and its four Parts to Parts 9, 10, 11 and 12. Thus freeing up your KBD CTRL Parts for additional Multi Part programs _ remember you can only record MULTI Part data to KBD CTRL Parts, 1-8.

To utilize PART Exchange - simply select the PART > Press [SHIFT] + [EDIT] > select EXCHANGE and move the Parts as you desire. Be certain to [STORE] your new Performance to your USER Bank.

__ Never plug MIDI Out to MIDI In (that's never recommended)
__ You are given the tools to COPY and/or EXCHANGE the PART data within your Performance and the TRACK data within the Pattern Sequencer.
__ An advanced understanding of the Super Knob and the Common Assign Knobs and how they are able to address your assigned instruments will be required to get the absolute most out of it. Best way to learn about this is to EXPLORE it yourself. You will realize that the Super Knob and the Common Assign Knobs can address not just the KBD CTRL Parts but any or all of the 16 Parts, as you may require!
__ Zone Master is not for use with the Sequencer - its role is for 'intelligently' transmitting via MIDI to external hardware from the various Part/Zone slots.

EDIT/JOB functions
In other words, all the EDIT/JOBs exist so that you are able to re-use the KBD CTRL Parts (1-8) for additional Multi Part program recordings.
I mentioned about the Super Knob programming - there is only one Super Knob set of data... It addresses the entire 16 Part Performance _ which must be reconciled so that it makes sense for additional Parts. In other words, if the Super Knob is doing an Automated Motion Sequence for some of the Parts, it cannot also do a morph between a pair of other Parts or a Fade-in for your strings. You would need to unlink the Common Assign Knobs and use them specifically for your morphing and fade-in duties.
I could take several paragraphs to explain this but it will make more sense to you once you open this door and head down this particular avenue.

Once you are aware of this, you don't waste Parts 1-8 for Single Part instruments. Say you are used to recording your drums on Track 1... you realize they can exist just as well on Track 10. Drums are typically occupying a single track - recording them to one of the Parts that can do MULTI Part duty just seems silly (once you know that you can move data (COPY/EXCHANGE). Change your workflow. Record your single Part programs to Tracks 9-16 _ its as simple as that. And now you know you can EXCHANGE data (move already recorded data)... the limits start to fall away.

And those who tell you "you can't..." or that the system doesn't allow it _ simply have not explored this particular avenue. But it exists and the Edit Jobs are there to support it! Just saying....

Hope that helps.

 
Posted : 26/02/2023 7:33 am
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