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CP1 CF Piano converted for Montage - Free download

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Finally, we have a conversion of the free CP1 CF Piano library for the Montage.
21 performances total, 16 original, 5 new ones which show the layering capabilities of the Montage with the Superknob. All perfs include auditions.
Get it here on the Unofficial Yamaha Montage Community Forums:
http://montageforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45

 
Posted : 05/11/2017 9:01 am
Bad Mister
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Well they maybe taking credit for it but they are not stealing... the CP1 CF sounds and many more are available (free) at the official Yamaha Store

www.yamahamusicsoft.com

Remember the MONTAGE can load Motif ES/XS/XF and MOXF Libraries.
For example,

The MOXF (free) Premium Contents Pack contains:

• Chick Corea’s Mark V electric piano

• Yamaha Ultimate Piano collection (includes the CP1 CF data)

• CS80 Voice and Sample library

• EDM Expansion Voice and Sample library

• UJ Voices Voice library

 
Posted : 05/11/2017 9:11 am
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I'm sorry but respectfully, nobody even took credit here. and we're not talking about stealing, why even mentioning it?

Instead of having to import the XF file to the library, then import to user, then delete 624 dummy performances, then adding Auditions to all sounds, someone raised the glove and did it for the benefit of the entire Montage community.
I can see Yamaha fully credited for creating the library. and I even mentioned it here being free.
Heck, they even added 5 nice performances to it, no strings attached. why is that wrong?

Instead of "thanks for the effort" people get "you're not stealing, don't take credit and you can get it elsewhere". Why?

It's a bad move from Yamaha, trying to prevent any community driven effort for the Yamaha Montage, and attempting to control the entire cycle.

It basically feels as if except for maybe the FB group, there's no real community for the Yamaha Montage. The MOTIF had Motifator which was a great site. It doesn't support the Montage - let me tell you, not because they don't want to.

Every good synth platform has some good independent forums such as RolandClan for Roland, Independent Korg Forums for Korg, etc.
the only forums at YamahaSynth has no user interactions at all. the forum platform is pretty bad. You almost can't search for information. It's cluterred and looks like a mess.

Technical support is indeed a good aspect of that forum, in my opinion. You (BM) are full of knowledge, that's for sure. you also writes in many different forums, such as Motifator.

You don't even have any mean to private message another user! also any criticism towards the Montage or Yamaha is flamed pretty quickly. but this is what happens in manufacturer owned forums, its only logical.

Compare this to any other independent community based forum and see for yourself! Would you compare the yamahasynth forums to Korg forums? or Rolandclan? no.

I'm just inviting people with mutual interest, to another forum, which can live beside the official one - there's a place for everyone!

I understand the need of every corporate to control every aspect of the product life cycle but its never the best.
the forums don't take criticism of Yamaha corporate or the Montage in a good way.. its a forum just for the "good things". this is also what we would consider moderation, no?

lastly the feel of community is what matters in those forums. a forum should feel like home, users should know each other and interact. share with each other. it doesn't happen today.

 
Posted : 07/11/2017 4:22 pm
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I wonder if this comment, or that thread will get deleted now.

 
Posted : 07/11/2017 4:32 pm
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Yes, reading the article it was clear someone was sharing value-add modifications. Although having some historical context is useful (where to find the original free material - what's included in the original pack) -- I wasn't catching what was being thrown about the stealing and credit comments.

It's not the first time that there's official mud thrown at community members who are trying to help or be constructive. Just part of the process - roll with the punches. Thanks for the pointer to the community content.

By the way - the search engine here on the message board is mediocre (true). However, it is well indexed by popular search engines so you can search by site ("site:yamahasynth.com") along with keywords including user names. This will quickly find content here even if the native search is hit-or-miss.

 
Posted : 07/11/2017 6:22 pm
Ron
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There is a Facebook group page for the Yamaha Motif Moxf Montage series, music productions and to can find downloads new and self made created designed sound set libraries like single & Multi parts performances -x7l- and full back up -x7a- sound sets libraries take a visit sign in and check it out on this link >> / https://www.facebook.com/groups/1837321423251478/ <<

Attached files

 
Posted : 07/11/2017 9:16 pm
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I agree Jason.
but the two forums, the official support forum (this one) and an Unofficial Community Forum should complement each other. There's place for everybody, and after all, the goals are mutual. We're Yamaha admirers and look for a stage to interact, share, and preserve for years to come.

 
Posted : 19/11/2017 6:36 am
Rod
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Hello Sheila - thanks for the Library, which I downloaded mainly for the new layered sounds - you say there are 5, but I only have 4 - 20 patches in total, not 21. I like to hear what other people can do, and try to figure out how they did it! I also see from this thread that you are not approved by Yamaha, but I follow your argument that you are motivated by love of Yamaha instruments, but dismayed by the 'Big Brother' attitude that Yamaha tends to adopt. Understandable but restrictive. I don't think BM was being critical, by the way, just clarifying the facts. Copyright stuff (which I don't agree with where sound is concerned) is very tricky!

 
Posted : 19/11/2017 1:20 pm
 G
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I guess I am confused...

The Montage has the new CFX in 10 velocity layers.

This CP1 library is of the older CFIIIS in 5 velocity layers.

What is the "attraction"?

 
Posted : 19/11/2017 6:28 pm
Jason
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G: the benefit is that it's another sampled piano you can elect to add (or not) to your arsenal. This particular set - although you could have converted the original Motif XF offering - has some adjustments for Montage much like the commercial sample library providers will re-vamp older sets with new Montage functionality.

To say that more velocity layers is better when comparing different samples (two different instruments sampled, perhaps different engineers, different room, etc) is a bit misplaced. Although I do agree that theoretically more velocity layers is better -- it's all in the programming to match each velocity layer and in the samples being able to blend from layer to layer.

Taking a step back - really the utility here is in variety. Piano sounds are personal and one may prefer the sound and response of a piano performance which is "inferior" on technical merit (like velocity layers, number of samples, fidelity of samples, etc). However -- for whatever intangibles -- the player may gravitate more to the sound offered by this set.

Every sample set - if free or paid - is take-or-leave. So you are free to reject this set on technical merits (number of sample layers) alone. Fair enough.

More than anything I think that the community taking "public domain" free sample libraries and doctoring/improving them for Montage sets a good example of one way the community can work to improve/augment the choices for Montage sounds.

 
Posted : 20/11/2017 4:18 am
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The link in the OP does not appear to be working, nor can I locate the "Yamaha Ultimate Piano collection" BadMister suggested downloading at yamahamusicsoft. Can anyone provide some link for either of these? Thanks!

 
Posted : 01/03/2019 12:34 pm
Jason
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The Yamaha Ultimate Piano Collection is bundled inside the Motif Premium Contents Pack (PCP):

https://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/synth/motif-premium-contents-pack-pcp-for-moxf

Here is a blurb on what all is included in the original Motif PCP:

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/music_production/synthesizers/motif_40th_premium_contents_pack/features.html
or
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/2015/motif_40th_anniversary_box.html

The other link - the domain for the old unofficial Montage group looks like it is down, expired, reclaimed. It's not going to where it once did. The post is archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20180415165723/http://montageforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45

The link to the file on that archived message still does work.

Over time, all the links I provided may no longer work. It's the nature of an evolving web - links and information is subject to becoming invalidated, removed, etc. Archive.org is often used to dig up old content.

 
Posted : 01/03/2019 6:52 pm
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