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Hello. The Montage should offer a "GLOBAL" tempo, as well, the current per performance saved setting(s).
One simply selects which...GLOBAL or PERFORMANCE
If you are familiar with well designed, respected FX processors, you will find this to be the case. The Montage is similar to those devises , in that, you are using a device that outputs manipulated or processed audio for the purpose of musical performance, which is also the case with Montage.
Why does this make sense? Simple...Often, one will audition various performances for production/performance especially but not limited to working with musicians on the spot. When playing/performing, one needs to match tempo- a requirement in ALL sensible music performance, then proceed to find the right performance while maintaining tempo. All proper music/audio FX processors do this because it just isn't sensible to NOT have this feature. A simple, valuable job for the engineering team to implement.
Also, there are times when the tempos have shifted from previous arrangements and especially since there is no master tap tempo, which even like the one on the Motif, it could not hold that tempo globally. Again, this has and continues to be a standard across many devices. Please correct this over site soon.
When I rehearse, compose or perform, I must have a proper sense of timing. When I change my sound on my violin by various techniques, I am not defaulted to loose timing concept, or does any other musician performing on an instrument. The Montage IS at the very least a musical instrument and by default should provide a proper sense of timing no matter you choose. The current offering from Montage would still be available because it is also necessary to maintain agreed tempos from one performance to another. BOTH situations are required, as well, a third parameter which allows ALL SAVED tempos and Global tempo to be increased/decreased. relatively so if you have for example, 10 performances lined-up one is at 60 bps, next is 61, 62, etc, then you decide that they all need to be increased/decrease via a updating tap feature. Truly folks, this is about music and if Montage is to be treated as n instrument played by musicians, then it is required to follow proper musical ideology.
Posted : 16/07/2017 11:53 pm
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There is no justifiable reason for Yamaha not to implement this parameter. Badmister frequently makes matter-of-fact statements regarding acceptable/non-acceptable principles relative to synths and what musicians and music is all about...well its all about timing and the Montage can't do what many other digitally processed music devices have and continue to do.
Posted : 18/07/2017 5:13 am
Hello Phil - I'm not a musician. but I see your point, which seems valid to me. What surprises me though, is that if it is such a vital feature, why has it taken a whole year since release for it to be raised?
Posted : 18/07/2017 5:44 am
@Rod:
Not exactly the same request, but as soon as I saw the lack of a tempo knob which was previously available on Yamaha workstations/synths - I brought this up.
https://yamahasynth.com/forum/tempo-setting-only-through-touchscreen/latest
The solution proposed for this shortcoming was to menu dive and tap or DATA DIAL - which is counterproductive musically in application (as I described using the tempo knob in my songs). DATA DIAL would be "OK" if it were more tightly coupled with the parameter as the knob was. DATA DIAL is like a 5-speed bike (normally set to the lowest gear ratio = slowest speed / most torque) when I'm looking for just the mid-gear "normal ratio" drive. Plus menu dive to get there is not great for business considering other button pushing, keyboard hitting, and general acrobatics which occur usually at these parts of the music. This can be "pre setup" - so not all is lost. Meaning - I can pick a relatively inactive (acrobatics-wise) part of the song to pull up the tempo menu. Leaving only how the DATA DIAL works as a roadblock to musical use.
Firmware request threads have mentioned tempo settings in scenes to set relative tempos to the main tempo which is slightly related (2016).
Although the premise has been challenged (if this has been brought up in the past or not) - I'm not sure that temporal relation of an issue raised to product release date should be a determining factor in assigning importance.
Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R
Posted : 20/07/2017 12:26 am
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If we can keep on topic and I repeat, just implement it. I mean, there is already a TEMPO button!! please don't make excuses about this or that or the lack of this topic.
ALL music performance instrumentation that feature tempo driven outputs MUST have a global function. All music obeys this functionality, all musicians and their instruments and many effects processors also. Just implement it
Posted : 22/07/2017 2:04 am
Not sure if this is useful or not - but if you treat an external clock as your global - you can slave Montage to an external global clock - which can be adjusted up and down. And the local local clocks as derivatives of this clock - different subdivisions/multiples of the global clock (these as your local clocks). I believe there is a facility - not fully configurable (meaning not all ratios available - more skewed towards slower-than-global than faster-than-global) - but still a facility to setup a master clock where, using unit percentage - you could accomplish a full set of slow+fast+medium (etc) tempo tunes based off of the same master BPM setting without adjusting the master BPM. However, you can still adjust the external BPM to adjust upwards/downwards all of your performances in batch since tempo is derived from an external source and not the performance setting.
This is not meant to be a substitute for lack of the specific controls you're after - but a workaround which arrives at a similar destination.
Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R
Posted : 22/07/2017 6:33 am
