I never play any factory Performances on my Montage. I never use any of the onboard Waveforms.

In fact, I'd happily erase all inbuilt Waveforms and Performances and still declare that I love the Montage!

I've loaded it with my own Waveforms and Performances.

There's nothing else that sounds like this. It is astronomically good! 🙂

Joe wrote:

I never play any factory Performances on my Montage. I never use any of the onboard Waveforms.

In fact, I'd happily erase all inbuilt Waveforms and Performances and still declare that I love the Montage!

I've loaded it with my own Waveforms and Performances.

There's nothing else that sounds like this. It is astronomically good! 🙂

Seriously? I also enjoy programming very much and I think the same, but regarding the factory performances - they're wonderful! especially all the keys, basses, fm brass, guitars (!) but sure, it all depends on need.

No whining here... But I would choose the words Constructive Criticism which means...."Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one." So for me and many others including a famous name in a recent video who was very gracious and complementary towards montage but noted where a garden wall has been built around midi...so Montage 2.0 still did not address the current Midi situation that many have called for.... having another option for setting midi channels for the parts as well as the current modes this would of been much appreciated by me and those who have montage and those who may be holding back from joining the Montage club....and I am still enjoying this very exciting keyboard .

Simon wrote:

No whining here... But I would choose the words Constructive Criticism which means...."Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one." So for me and many others including a famous name in a recent video who was very gracious and complementary towards montage but noted where a garden wall has been built around midi...so Montage 2.0 still did not address the current Midi situation that many have called for.... having another option for setting midi channels for the parts as well as the current modes this would of been much appreciated by me and those who have montage and those who may be holding back from joining the Montage club....and I am still enjoying this very exciting keyboard .

I fully agree about midi implementation. its difficult to have it as a centerpiece of a studio in some cases. Motif and some Roland keyboards were always great in these aspects.

Eyal wrote:
Seriously? I also enjoy programming very much and I think the same, but regarding the factory performances - they're wonderful! especially all the keys, basses, fm brass, guitars (!) but sure, it all depends on need.

I have always liked synthesis and sound design too much to get distracted by the age old tradition of synthesisers mimicking real life acoustic instruments. I'd use all that Preset memory space for more of my own Waveform material if I could.

There is nothing what makes me more upset than fanboys with a black and white mentality, playing the forum police and teaching other people what they may or may not say about a product.

Sladjan wrote:

There is nothing what makes me more upset than fanboys with a black and white mentality, playing the forum police and teaching other people what they may or may not say about a product.

Thanks for your comment! I appreciate the input. I'm not the forum police, not at all. just trying to contradict all the negativity in the other posts. I also made it very clear that I'm no fanboy either. but I'm 90% extremely happy with the product.
sorry to make you upset, you don't have to comment or read this or any of my posts any further. 😉
All the best to you!

You are free to say why you are happy with the Montage and what you like about it. But stop this extremely annoying comparisons with the Kronos. It is childish and your facts regarding sample memory on other keyboards are simply wrong. You point out your personal positive views of the Montage, for the negative ones you say that you don't need them so the problem is not existing in your head and your world, and than you bash the Kronos for some weird reason. Stop this, don't behave like a troll.
Respect that different people have different wishes and work differently with the keyboard than you. It doesn't need a lot to act like an adult and show more respect to other people. I don't need your false facts about a Kronos or your wrong informations about the sample memory on other keyboards. This is the Montage forum. Let's talk about the Montage and not the Kronos.

Sladjan wrote:

You are free to say why you are happy with the Montage and what you like about it. But stop this extremely annoying comparisons with the Kronos. It is childish and your facts regarding sample memory on other keyboards are simply wrong. You point out your personal positive views of the Montage, for the negative ones you say that you don't need them so the problem is not existing in your head and your world, and than you bash the Kronos for some weird reason. Stop this, don't behave like a troll.
Respect that different people have different wishes and work differently with the keyboard than you. It doesn't need a lot to act like an adult and show more respect to other people. I don't need your false facts about a Kronos or your wrong informations about the sample memory on other keyboards. This is the Montage forum. Let's talk about the Montage and not the Kronos.

again, the comparison with the Kronos is actually to contradict what was said in other posts regarding Kronos vs. Montage - I didn't see you bash the posters there. you know what, I don't care really. this was my idea for comparison, because I had a Kronos. currently I'm content with a Korg Triton rack with MOSS board.

(btw, my sample memory comments are not only correct, they're ACCURATE. in Q4/2017, this marked the first time Nord offered the new Stage 3 with 2GB of non volatile memory which include the preset AND user waveforms combined. (with additional 480MB for samples). but I'm not here to argue with you).

you're free to ignore my posts - my view will not change as childish as you may see them.
the Roland or Korg forums are full with comparisons to other synths, as is the Nord forum. I don't see a problem comparing to the competition here. but you have the choice, not to read it. read what you want which makes you feel good.

now, you can respect my post and my opinion for what it is. just as I didn't go all out as you do and bash the other threads ie the "Yamaha will never implement this" one.

Good luck, and I appreciate your contribution to this thread if it will be positive or negative, but leave your comments about me or my personality aside - whether or not you think I'm a troll or a child. be respectful. Thanks.

Eyal
I really appreciate and share with you your enthusiasm. On the other hand I'd say also that Montage Performance compatibility with the previous models, should have been implemented at first, not after two years. This important feature was too evident to be still lacking for an outstanding musical instrument such as Montage.
As a final users we have a powerful weapon at our side: avoid buying not completely developed instruments.
Maybe this time Yamaha has took into consideration that a synthesizer player can't start everytime from scratch when a new model hits the market. I still remember when I bought Regenerator for the S90ES and only PLG Voices were compatible with my instrument, while if I had a Motif ES with PLG I could have loaded Performances too.
When I bought Motif XF in 2012 I began developing several user Performances, thus when recently moved to the Montage it was quite obvious I would have never wanted to waste tons of intense labour (that's why I'm still keeping my old faithful XF7).
About FlashRAM, in my opinion it wasn't enough neither in Motif XF nor in the Montage. Let's hope SampleRobot and John Melas Montage Tools will help creating memory-wise user waveforms to take advantage of this new technology.

Eyal wrote:
again, the comparison with the Kronos is actually to contradict what was said in other posts regarding Kronos vs. Montage - I didn't see you bash the posters there

There is no active Kronos vs. Montage topic here. Besides that, I have absolutely nothing against a comparison. Different people have different needs and for some the Kronos fits better, for others the Montage. But your posts are terribly biased. Ok, the Kronos needs 2-3 minutes to boot up. On the other side, the Montage has a primitive seamless switching where you are limited to 8 parts. The Kronos has seamless switching with all 16 parts. You are free to use any midi channel on any timbre instead of the midi mess which Yamaha did on the Montage. That alone is an absolute no go for quite a lot of potential customers.

Eyal wrote:(btw, my sample memory comments are not only correct, they're ACCURATE. in Q4/2017, this marked the first time Nord offered the new Stage 3 with 2GB of non volatile memory which include the preset AND user waveforms combined. (with additional 480MB for samples). but I'm not here to argue with you).

First and foremost: Nord uses a compressed sample format. Do you know what it means? The ratio is about 3:1. The 2Gb on Nord equals to some 5-6 Gb on a Montage. So much about your accuracy. Then, you compared Rolands sample size. The last workstation from Roland, the Fantom G had 544 Mb. That was ten years ago. It's silly to compare a ten years old keyboard to the Montage. On top of all that, you forgot Kurzweil. The Kurzweil Forte has 3.2 Gb of user sample ram. The Kronos has much more because it uses disc streaming.
But all that is completely unimportant. The problem is that some Motif XF users wont upgrade to the Montage because their sample material which they have on the XF desn't fit into the Montage. This is the first time that a successor has less memory than the previous model.

Eyal wrote:you're free to ignore my posts - my view will not change as childish as you may see them.
the Roland or Korg forums are full with comparisons to other synths, as is the Nord forum.

This is not a serious product comparison here at all and absolutely not comparable to comparison topics on other forums! This is your topic: TO EVERYONE WHO'S WHINING ABOUT OS UPDATE 2.0 FOR MONTAGE. You are attacking people who in your opinion whine about the Montage.

Once again: show respect to other people and their wishes. They are not whining and it is their right to express satisfaction or dissatisfaction. They certainly don't need you and your topic directed to "all who are whining about..."
Why is it so difficult to you to understand that different people use a keyboard in different ways and that they need some functions you never knew that they exist? Do you really think that anybody uses his keyboard in the exact same way as you? Geez, grow up.

Sladjan wrote:

Eyal wrote:
again, the comparison with the Kronos is actually to contradict what was said in other posts regarding Kronos vs. Montage - I didn't see you bash the posters there

There is no active Kronos vs. Montage topic here. Besides that, I have absolutely nothing against a comparison. Different people have different needs and for some the Kronos fits better, for others the Montage. But your posts are terribly biased. Ok, the Kronos needs 2-3 minutes to boot up. On the other side, the Montage has a primitive seamless switching where you are limited to 8 parts. The Kronos has seamless switching with all 16 parts. You are free to use any midi channel on any timbre instead of the midi mess which Yamaha did on the Montage. That alone is an absolute no go for quite a lot of potential customers.

Eyal wrote:(btw, my sample memory comments are not only correct, they're ACCURATE. in Q4/2017, this marked the first time Nord offered the new Stage 3 with 2GB of non volatile memory which include the preset AND user waveforms combined. (with additional 480MB for samples). but I'm not here to argue with you).

First and foremost: Nord uses a compressed sample format. Do you know what it means? The ratio is about 3:1. The 2Gb on Nord equals to some 5-6 Gb on a Montage. So much about your accuracy. Then, you compared Rolands sample size. The last workstation from Roland, the Fantom G had 544 Mb. That was ten years ago. It's silly to compare a ten years old keyboard to the Montage. On top of all that, you forgot Kurzweil. The Kurzweil Forte has 3.2 Gb of user sample ram. The Kronos has much more because it uses disc streaming.
But all that is completely unimportant. The problem is that some Motif XF users wont upgrade to the Montage because their sample material which they have on the XF desn't fit into the Montage. This is the first time that a successor has less memory than the previous model.

Eyal wrote:you're free to ignore my posts - my view will not change as childish as you may see them.
the Roland or Korg forums are full with comparisons to other synths, as is the Nord forum.

This is not a serious product comparison here at all and absolutely not comparable to comparison topics on other forums! This is your topic: TO EVERYONE WHO'S WHINING ABOUT OS UPDATE 2.0 FOR MONTAGE. You are attacking people who in your opinion whine about the Montage.

Once again: show respect to other people and their wishes. They are not whining and it is their right to express satisfaction or dissatisfaction. They certainly don't need you and your topic directed to "all who are whining about..."
Why is it so difficult to you to understand that different people use a keyboard in different ways and that they need some functions you never knew that they exist? Do you really think that anybody uses his keyboard in the exact same way as you? Geez, grow up.

You're clearly very emotional. drink some cold water... 🙂

It really makes me laugh reading these type of post at the stupidity of people who spend thousands of pounds on something and then complain that it doesn't do what they want. Why not have the common sense (maybe that's what you have missing) to fully research the various synths on the market and if you decide to buy one then live with it, not run it down and say that another brand does things better. Would you go out and spend £20k on a petrol engine car and then whinge on a forum that you can't charge it from the mains because it doesn't run on batteries like another manufacturers electric car, unlikely but then again maybe some of you would 🙂 .
You have bought what it is so why not enjoy what it can do and not moan about what it can't.

First let me say
What an Ego!!! Who R U to tell us? You are Happy? Then stay out of it. Other wise. You are just a Troll!
Second. The Kronos. Still way outsells the Montage. For 2 main Factual reasons.
MIDI And Karma.
And If we had proper Standard MIDI. Then we could have Karma. Like is offered for the Motif.
Ignoring a Industry standard. Was a Total mistake. For Montage.
And Then the Montage. Would Outsell the Kronos. (Fans in a keyboard! WTF.).
Then we get to a problem that. Only exists in the Montage. And Has been complained about. Since The Montage was released.
And. That Is the Scene Change. Not holding Notes until next key press. (Every keyboard I know of. does this correctly.)
We Have very valid Complaints. There should Have been a disclaimer. About the Midi Being Non-Standard.
(I am in fact. Thinking of Taking action Just on this one Item. There is already case History About MIDI. Being Non standard in My state.)
You are 90% happy. I am Maybe 50%-60% happy. These shortcomings. Affect me. And had I known. I Never would have bought one.
Even though. I think. On the surface. It is One of the best Keyboards ever made.(But that's the Problem. On The Surface.).
And Yes 2.0 was a Major update. But Should have been there in the first place.
The Montage. Was Rushed to market. And put this Tech in a Motif Xx. And nobody would have Bought a Montage.
Why would you. Just for the SN? Nope. So that is why it was Rushed to market.