Hello,

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. When you create a User Arp and record the initial sequence with velocity accents those will be carried over to the User Arp. Do you mean after you've created a User Arp?

There are a few articles to check out if you haven't already:

Arpeggio Making Part 1
Arpeggio Making Part 2
The 4 Track Arpeggiator
Montage Connect and User Arps

Lastly, the Pattern Sequencer added in MONTAGE OS v3.0 and MODX OS v2.0 is and ideal way to create user Arps if you haven't checked that out.

Hope this helps!

Thanks. If you go into Advanced arpeggio tab, you will see Accent Velocity Threshld, which is user-adjustable. If you play a drum arpeggio, and strike a key That exceeds this velocity, you will hear an accent. I am trying to find out how to set this up in my own user arpeggios. Thanks again for your response.

Doug, did you find the way to achieve it?

The User Arp’s cannot have an Accent Phrase.

Thank you, BM!
Seems like the preset arps are much "more" than user arps one might create from MIDI data.
Are there any plans to release either onboard advanced arps creator or computer based?

Thanks again.

Yeah, there was a drum kit that did something cool I couldn't replicate with user arps. User arps cannot tap into the full capabilities of the arp engine. The fact that a preset did something I couldn't program was referred to as an "easter egg".

My comment around 2017:

There is a way - for most (not all) things - to get from point A to B with user ARPs. The only limitation I am currently aware of is that there are ARP types that cannot be generated with the tools provided. Special types that show up as preset ARPs but do not currently have any editor which can produce the files for Montage to consume and gain these "easter egg" type ARP features.

Here's the other 2017 post that talks about an ARP type you can't make ...
source: https://www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/distinction-between-scenes-on-preset-8z-tom-heartz#reply-19533

The drum ARP for this part sure seems like "fixed" since you press any key and the same pattern plays. However - there's a description of "fixed" mode that states that no matter what chord quality - or what you play - fixed will always play the exact same pattern. So this example is showing something that looks like a hybrid between two different modes as adding notes will allow for the ARP to respond differently while also keeping a fixed pattern no matter where you trigger.

... and Yamaha's comment:

So there are ARPEGGIO patterns made specifically for the "8Z" kits you will find they are either named with the "8Z Kit" included in the ARP Name or they have a "Z" somewhere cleverly placed to be obvious, like "Cool Beatz"

The ARP patterns are easy enough to explain (even if impossible to create yourself though) when creating arpeggios you are provided four tracks. These four tracks are not used as you would typically use them when recording a sequence. You can play different data on each track and each track will be assigned or directed to a single phrase.

... and the "meat" of describing the limitations of user ARPs

As to making your own Arps of this type – you cannot - as far as I know. There are many, many types of arps included in the 10,000 Arpeggios Types. Some are within the realm of user creation, some go far, far beyond this. (And IMHO, rightfully so, Arp creation is very complex, or can get very complex). And while the User Arps you can make yourself, they can get to a certain level of complexity, obviously there are things in play that go beyond what you can create with the PUT TRACK TO ARPEGGIO function.

Unfortunately, Yamaha leaves many of these specialty Arps as hidden "Easter eggs" among the 10,000. We are told to explore, try out an Arp to determine what it does - all Arps do not follow a strict set of rules. You almost have to try them to see what they are going to do... unlike STYLES in an arranger - where pretty much you know exactly what they are going to do because the rules are very, very strict, (and mostly adhered to), however, in the synths, Yamaha has left the "HOW" you use them up to you. Just because it says "FA" (which means a Fill-in returning to a Main A section), does not mean you can't use it as your main groove or to transition to a Main D section.

The types of arps you can make include Chord Intelligent arps that respond to the basic Major, Minor, Augmented, Diminished, etc., and Fixed Note arps that are useful for Drum/Percussion or Sound FX waveforms that occupy the same Key no matter what chord quality is played.

The progressive type, where the more keys held, the more tracks accessed is not a USER ARP accessible parameter, afaik, sorry.

I could not have said it any better myself!

In the past, a more sophisticated USER ARP engine was made available, but was not very popular (you never hear about it) Although, there is initially a lot of interest in creating your own Arpeggios, once you get deeply into it, that same interest wanes rather rapidly.

Here’s why: an Arp Phrase to be the most useful, it needs to work in all keys and work in a variety of situations, for the widest variety of users.
Making a good (universally useable) Arp Phrase is very difficult, much harder than it looks. As it turns out what most folks learn is they want it to do a specific thing for their specific song and it can actually be done Better with the sequencer versus the Arpeggiator.
(Mostly people hate to be told it’s far more complicated than it looks — some how, it only makes them want it more).

To say you cannot make great Arps with the tools given is wrong and an overstatement — you may not be able to make Accent Phrases, you can’t make many of the geometric up/down, down/up, random but those are provided... And you certainly cannot apply your own note transposition rules... but check out what you can do...

You can make the Guitar Arpeggios that take full advantage of the XA CONTROL to change articulations mid-Phrase. Those are what make the spectacular MEGA-Guitar and MEGA-Bass Arp Phrases so magical. Done with either precise Velocity mapping, and/or Note Range mapping of ‘fixed’ pitch components...

The USER ARP function with the four Arp Convert Tracks that you are given, is a very nice subset of the Arp Creation tool.

In the tutorial, you get to hear how the Mega-Guitar Arp was put together... some of the Tracks are converted using “Org Note” because they transpose, other tracks are used to recreate the artful noises (zings, scrapes, knocks, and raking noise) which use the “Fixed” Note Convert Type... it is these “fixed” events that make the Mega-Guitar Arp Phrases so compelling. Usually it’s the detailing that makes a spectacular Arp.

“Free Fall” Mega-Guitar Arp Phrase deconstruction

Excellent! Fascinating stuff guys...I am just working on my first User Arp, which is going to be a 2 Track arp, so not the most complex, but it's a specific Acoustic Rhythm Guitar pattern, that requires up & down strumming with accents a times, both on the ups & the downs, and with string noise in-between chord changes. All of this discussion helps in figuring out how I will approach it via multi-track Arp using ProTools as the DAW 😉

Ok, so I finally created my first arpeggios on the Montage.
I created 2 Multi-Track Arpeggios for acoustic guitar strumming, and then recorded the audio of playing both ARPs one after the other.

Here is the audio file I uploaded to Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/dclowe/montage-arps-acousticguitar

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