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I tried last night the keyboard. Keybed is not bad, although it could be better, but it's a bit subjective which keybed is good or not. The FM-X synthesis is fantastic and factory presets sounds very well both on fm-x and AMW2. Keyboard is light and compact.

I was about to buy it, but I gave up because of following things:
- When you create a performance with user microtuning scale, and if you transpose with shift + octave +/- button, it ruins scale and plays incorrect. I could not find anywhere in the settings to correct it (in korg triton it was before the midi and post midi options for this), but if you are transposing it in utility on master transpose then it is fine. It's a bit slow for live gigs, you have to go to utility then wait a second until it opens and you select the note shift on the screen, then dial with the wheel or with the +/- keys. Every time when you exit utility, it unselect last selected position(transpose in this case), so you have to select it each time when you enter to utullity. I connected with midi to korg pa4x to see if i can manage to transpose from pa4x to the modx (as it can with the korg kronos) but it can not.
- Portamento is great on fm-x sounds, however on amw2 sounds pretty bad with mono sounds. There is no mono legato option, so it retrigers samples every time you play legato.
- On user micro tuning scale, it does not give me the option for the keys (A, D, C ... etc) as if when using an Arabic scale. so if you make a scale, you do not have the option to put the same scale for different key tonalities, and it only has 8 places for a user scale. I hope it will be corrected with a new OS.
If all this can be resolved with the operating system, I will certainly buy. Those things i mentioned is pretty important for the most balkan and mid east musicians.

 
Posted : 21/10/2018 11:39 am
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Your first issue sounds like it is the same as another issue, that the "transpose" function isn't really what a musician typically considers transpose, i.e. it doesn't change the pitch of the note you're playing (so you could press the same keys and simply get the same sound as before but at a different pitch), it instead changes what MIDI Note events are sent to the sound generating engine. In many cases, the audible result is the same, but not always (a common issue being that split points change, which makes the front panel transpose function pretty useless if you have precisely designed splits and need to transpose to a different key to accommodate a singer, for example). The solution, as you have found, is to use the Note Shift parameter instead, which actually does do what you would more typically think of as transpose, .i.e. let you play what you would normally play and simply hear it in a different key. But it's an awkward solution, since it's more time consuming (especially if you have splits and have to do it for multiple parts), and also if you need to change Performances mid-song, well, you basically can't, because your transpositions (note shifts in yamaha parlance) disappear. If you repeatedly do a song in an altered key, of course, you can set up custom recallable performances for this purpose. But if you need to do it on the fly (e.g. singer is having a bad night and asks you to drop the key, or a guest singer comes up), well, you're kind of stuck.

It would be great if Yamaha provided a user option that would allow the front panel Transpose buttons to instead function as Note Shifts for all Parts. Or maybe it could be done by leaving those buttons as they are, but adding some new on-screen "key change" buttons (say, to the Live Set pages) that would provide this same shortcut. Just some better way to handle this, because it's a really useful functionality that we don't have in the Yamaha world.

 
Posted : 21/10/2018 12:47 pm
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Transpose does not move anything in terms of programmed values. What it does is pretends like you hit a different physical key. It just remaps your physical "C" natural key to a different key (higher or lower). That's it. Splits stay where they are at. The keyboard does not ever see the physical key (when transposed) you press, it only sees the transposed key. So splits and microtuning and anything else that uses specific notes will see the transposed note and will function differently when transposed.

In order for microtuning to follow a transposed instrument - you need to transpose the microtuning to match. Or, as suggested - use note shift. Transpose remaps keys (input-side shift). Note shift remaps pitches (output side shift).

AWM portamento has been a long-standing complaint. It's just the way Yamaha's tone generator works vs. some of the others. Here's a discussion that has a link back to the complaint on older generation keyboards - and other comments about Montage which is related to MODX - https://www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/legato-single-voice

If you have a related microtune for different key centers - and it is valid to use the same intervals for each note - but start on a different pitch - then you could save multiple Performances with different note shift (and even fine tuning shifting if you want the other notes to be an exact pitch) and save these "key center" Performances. This way you do not have to consume more than one user micro-tuning slot. You could even add transpose, if you wanted, so the notes you play on the keyboard "match" the pitches coming out of the instrument. Unfortunately, transpose is not saved with the Performance so this would mean manually pressing buttons if this was desired.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 21/10/2018 5:39 pm
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